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Who Decides on Library Books?
Written by Cate Slattery   
Thursday, 22 October 2009 23:48
Toby Gibbs

ABC 36 received a big response to the story about two Nicholasville librarians, fired for not allowing a child to check out a book they said was pornographic.

Many of you responded by email and phone calls to the story.

"I think the librarians are right and I think the library is wrong. I'm a mother of a 6 year old and to think that a librarian would let my child check out something that has pornography in it," an ABC 36 viewer said.

"I think the librarians have no authority and no right to make a decision on what children take home or what they can read," another viewer said.

Lexington Public Library Director, Martha White, says they have a similar policy and it's not the librarian's job to decide what your child is allowed to read.

"Kids vary in their comprehension levels, and kids have different development levels, so it depends on what the parents think the child is ready for," White said.

Libraries across the country have similar policies for which books they carry.

"We have a very extensive collection development policy that was developed by librarians and we use that to order what we order and keep what we keep in the system," White said.

The Lexington Public Library also carries The League of Extraordinary Gentleman series, and White says, it may not be for everyone.

"This genre of graphic novel is tricky. The graphic novels can be anything from Spiderman to something scarier or maybe inappropriate."

If you do have an objection to a book at either Jessamine County or Fayette County Library you can fill out a form requesting the library re-think their choice.

 

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Guest dieter says:
2009-Oct-29 05:18
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not pornographic, but not for an eleven year old.
While LOEG certainly is not pornographic, I don't think it is fit for an 11 year old girl either. Mind you, not because of nudity, but because of the more mature themes and the graphical violence.
I'm from germany and usually we do allow children to read comics, which they couldn't read in america, and I wouldn't have a problem with an responsible 13 or 14 year old kid reading LOEG, but 11 is juts a little too young.
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Guest Thomas says:
2009-Oct-26 15:00
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JCPL does not give porn to children or anyone else.

The library was completely in the right when they fired these women. I feel bad for the women losing their jobs, but they went against one of the most elemental and fundamental parts of library policy. The current media exposure is a real shame because the term "pornography" keeps being applied to a graphic novel that is in many libraries across the state and across the nation (all who have pretty much the same approach to censorship). A graphic novel is basically a very long comic book with more literary content. As such it is not porn. National Geographic actually would be closer to porn --and I hope they don't try to remove it as well. At least the word seems to be getting out that the library doesn't have porn in the collection. It should also be noted that parents sign and agree to library policy when getting a card for their kids, and the policy states that it is not the job of library staff to be a parent and legislate what materials children check out. If the staff was responsible, imagine the outrage when different staff held different standards, or when different parents held different standards (some ultra-conservat ive parents find Disney movies offensive). It MUST be the job of the parent. I am a patron of JCPL and other libraries in the area. JCPL is a great library doing great work in the community. Keep it up!
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Guest Jason says:
2009-Oct-26 10:42
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Be adults.
I'm very nearly a free-speech absolutist. The book should not be removed from the library. However, children aren't ready to deal with some things, and it's a well-establishe d principle that adults are responsible for protecting them from those. The library and the parents of this community simply need to work out who's going to do it, and how they'll decide. There are sound arguments for librarians doing it and sound arguments for the parents doing it. So work it out. Set a library policy - one that applies to everything in the collection, not just books that happen to use pictures - and abide by it.
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Guest Lee says:
2009-Oct-25 07:09
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Poll posted on issue - interesting results!
A Mr. Martin has posted a poll about this issue on his website - and he clearly is a supporter of the library aids. However, the poll shows the community does NOT support them. As of Sunday morning 86% of the people responding say the aids did NOT do the right thing. Further 82% of the people say the aids should NOT be reinstated or receive unemployment. I wonder if this poll will disappear after Mr. Martin gets home from church? Anyway, the results are posted here (if channel 36 will actually post my comment).
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Guest TWT says:
2009-Oct-23 19:23
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I think the ladies did the right thing. Maybe someone needs to see what materials the parent(s) may be subjecting the child too. I'm glad the child utilizes the library
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Guest Jaqcue Skellington says:
2009-Oct-23 09:42
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As an avid comic reader and hardly prudish father, I lean on the side of the library aides. Why? I've read LoEG numerous times and I would bet that 11 year olds parents have never cracked it open once to check it out(maybe they saw the awful movie version instead...wouldn't surprise me). If it's the first book, there's an attempted rape. The next two in the series have even more graphic nudity and sex(let alone horrific violence, but that seems to not matter to ANYONE anymore compared to nudity and sex), including one main character sodomizing another before killing him. Granted it's Mr. Hyde and the Invisible Man so a young child might not grasp everything thats going on...My library even has multiple copies of Moore's From Hell out on the shelves. Do they realize there's a chapter showing Jack the Ripper's last victims graphic mutilation over dozens of pages? Alan Moore is one of my favorite authors and is a genius, but most of his recent work leans to adult reading.
I'm not for censorship, but people for the most part don't grasp that all graphic novels aren't just comic books like from their youth. Perhaps if the parents were present and could have been shown the book, they might've realized the aides concerns and followed or dismissed them.
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Guest Lee says:
2009-Oct-23 20:42
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Truth is, censorship or not, the library aides violated library policy, infringed upon the rights of a patron, and were insubordinate. They richly deserved to be fired, and would have been fired in ANY private business.
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Guest HWM's says:
2009-Oct-23 05:55
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Censorship?
We as parents need to step up and be responsible for what our children are doing. It is not up to employees at the Library. The Public Library exists for ALL of the people, no matter what race, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc; If you don't wish to check out a book/movie or disapprove of it, don't check it out, ignore it. If your children are checking out books at the Library it is absolutely your responsibility to know what your children are reading, talk to your children people, don't leave it up to anyone else, don't place the blame on anyone else. It is the parent that is responsible. It will be a shame if the Library has to worry about their collection over something like this. Our citizens and our state will only lose in the end if censorship ensues.
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Guest VBD says:
2009-Oct-23 05:44
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I am horrified that some of you think the librarian has no say in this matter. As a school librarian myself I have full control over book buying and also what I allow out. why do you think we studied for so long? It's like saying a teacher should not let a child read a book - it's the same thing, this is our profession, it's the librarian that has the expertise in this area - it's what he/she is qualified to do!
In school libraries there are sections of books, some junior and some senior and it's the librarian that decides what goes where, it's the librarian that issues the books - for goodness sake see some sense!
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Guest Lee says:
2009-Oct-23 20:47
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A public library and a school library are entirely different animals. Public libraries are expected to carry a much wider range of materials than a school library - which is expected to act "in loco parentis" (in the place of the parent) a role that is denied a public library. The library did exactly the right thing.
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Guest MD says:
2009-Oct-23 12:40
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As a fellow librarian, I am shocked to hear you say you monitor what books the children check out. Sure you can order them and place them in the "appropriate" section. But if you tell a child they can not check out a book, for whatever reason, you are killing that child's interest in voluntary reading. We might lose them as readers forever because of you.
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Guest John Smith says:
2009-Oct-29 08:41
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Seriously? "Lose a reader forever?" What about destroying a kids' innocence or messing up their conscience forever? I think that a trained librarian should absolutely have care in guiding a child toward appropriate material. After all, don't we expect untrained cinema employees to keep 5-yr.-olds out of R-rated movies?
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Guest Harold5791 says:
2009-Oct-22 21:23
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Librarians?
I know both of these 2 ladies. They are nice and well meaning. However, they worked at the library but were NOT librarians. It is just an inaccuracy, but I think it may help explain why they seem clueless about what a public library is about.
I truly hope these ladies and their small group of vocal supporters don't ruin my library that is the best thing in Jessamine County. It is my wife and my jobs to watch what my kids watch, read, or listen too. I'm insulted that these people think I need help or know better than me what my child can handle.
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Guest krighter says:
2009-Oct-23 09:01
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Harold, I believe the women have EVERY right to sensor what the children who are coming in and out of the library are reading. If the child had received the material with explicit material, they would have been balmed for allowing the child to check it out.
Everyone needs help, esp int his day and age, with raising a child. Some adults work 2 jobs and, let's face it, really do not have enough time in the day to make a decent meal, not to mention make sure the material the child is reading is age appropriate.
I am amazed at the rebuke theses ladies have recieved when a child cannot rent a game which may have explicit material in it.
Shouldn't the library be RESPONSIBLE for having AGE APPRORIATE material available to the kids. How about geting onto the libraary staff to change the policy for placing items on reserve or checking the items out???
ANd by the way, where were the parents of the child who was checking the explicit material out?
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Guest Harold5791 says:
2009-Oct-25 13:04
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@Krighter:
You are entitled to your opinion, no matter how unconstitutiona l it is. You ask where were the parents. How do you know they weren't there when the hold was placed? What qualifies as explicit is a personal decision. What is explicit to you, may not be for someone else.
Libraries are not responsible for what a child reads. They are responsible for supplying access to materials. What access is given to a child is the parents decision. Most people don't want government entities to do their thinking for them. If you watch the original report on this station, then you know that is the library's policy and it is the policy of most libraries. You are also comparing apples to oranges with video games. A private business who rents them has a different purpose and can set restrictions as they see fit. Those ratings (and those of movies) are recommendations. No one goes to jail if a child was to buy an MA game. The parent is not reprimanded if they were to take their child to an R rated movie.
It is the mark of arrogance to think you or these ladies should make decisions for others, especially when you don't even know the circumstances of others. What if the parents of these girl knew what she had on hold? What if the parent used the child's card to put a hold on the book for themselves? Did anyone ask these two employees to do what they did? (The answer is "No"). I don't understand why a parent who works 2 jobs is suddenly disqualified from making decisions for their child or the implication that if they did they are not meeting some standard others set. Age appropriate is an individual decision.
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Guest Lee says:
2009-Oct-23 20:52
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"where were the parents of the child who was checking the explicit material out?" - Maybe the parents approved of the material - and therefore it was nobody's business what the kids checked out - in fact, denying them the material was an infringement on their rights.
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Guest Zombie says:
2009-Oct-23 10:51
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Krighter, I find your comments extremely disturbing. As someone who works in a library it is absolutely NOT within my rights or anyone else's to censor material. I doubt anything would have happened to those ladies had they allowed the child to check out the graphic novel, because the parents most likely weren't monitoring what their child reads and would have never had a clue what she had checked out, which is solely their responsibility and NO ONE else's. 'Everyone needs help' is a very poor line of reasoning. Monitoring your own children is the responsibilty of parents, and does not lie within the scope of job duties for a professional librarian. Having children is a choice. The level of attention a parent pays their child is a choice. Having children can be difficult at times, but the parents chose to start a family and thus it is their responsibility to look after that family and not expect other members of the community to do it for them. As far as libraries being responsible for providing age appropriate materials, well, they do. It is the responsibility of the citizenry to determine for themselves and their own children what is age appropriate on an individual basis. I'm sure there are 'cozier' or 'family friendly' materials available at the Jessamine library. You're insinuating that the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was all that was available to this girl or that the library staff suggested it to her, or that she was required to read it along the lines of a school assignment, none of which appear to be the case here. It's a real shame when people aren't held accountable for their own choices or the choices of their children, and blame is placed on a third party like a library, although I suspect these ladies knew the potential repreccusion of their choice in preventing the girl from reading the book and were doing this to draw attention to a standard library policy at most institutions in the hope of getting it replaced by a stricter, more despotic policy that would be more closely aligned with their own personal beleifs. That's just speculation on my part, but it is food for thought.
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Guest Sebastian says:
2009-Oct-23 05:08
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So tired
I heard an interview with a children's author yesterday followed by an interview with a woman who runs a blog exploring children's books. This woman had trouble with some of the themes in Jeff Kinney's books. I can't believe the extent to which some adults feel they MUST protect the children. Part of Life is growing up and making your own choices. Adults are there to protect but also to let learn on their own. I have read some of this particular series. If you call this pornographic I don't know how you let your children leave the house. Maybe you don't!
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